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UK Number Plate Regs for US Imports

Postby LV51FER » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:19 pm

S.14A allows you to have motorcycle size fonts on any import without provison for a UK size plate. In the case of the 2005 Mustang, that is true for the raer plate and since a UK plate would overhang at the front....

Worth printing off for any doubtful officers of the law.

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STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS
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2002 No. 2687

ROAD TRAFFIC

The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) (Amendment) Regulations 2002

Made 24th October 2002
Laid before Parliament 1st November 2002
Coming into force 22nd November 2002

The Secretary of State for Transport, in exercise of the powers conferred by sections 23(3) and (4) and 57 of the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994[1] hereby makes the following Regulations:

Citation and commencement
1. These Regulations may be cited as the Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) (Amendment) Regulations 2002 and shall come into force on 22nd November 2002.

Amendment of Regulations
2. The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001[2] shall be amended in accordance with the following provisions of these Regulations.

Further requirements for registration plates
3. In regulation 11, after paragraph (1), insert the following paragraph -
" (1A) The surface of a registration plate must not comprise or incorporate any design, pattern or texture, or be treated in any way which gives to any part of the plate the appearance of a design, pattern or texture.".
Interpretation of provisions relating to registration marks
4. In regulation 12 (interpretation of Part III), in paragraph (1), in sub-paragraph (d), after "character height" ", insert ", except in relation to a vehicle to which regulation 14A applies,".

Size and spacing of characters
5. - (1) In regulation 14 (size and spacing of characters) -
(a) in paragraph (1), after "and (3)", insert "and regulation 14A";

(b) in paragraphs (4) and (5), for "The", substitute "Subject to regulation 14A, the";

(c) in paragaph (6), after "paragraph (11)", insert "or regulation 14A";

(d) in paragraphs (7) to (9), for "The", substitute "Subject to regulation 14A, the".
(2) After regulation 14, insert the following regulation -
" Size and spacing of characters: special cases
14A. - (1) This regulation applies in relation to any vehicle imported into the United Kingdom which -
(a) does not have European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval; and

(b) is so constructed that the area available for the fixing of the registration plate precludes the display on the plate of a registration mark in conformity with the requirements of regulation 14.
(2) In relation to a vehicle to which this regulation applies -
(a) each character in the registration mark must be 64 millimetres high;

(b) the width of each character of the mark, other than the letter "I" and the figure "1", must be 44 millimetres;

(c) the width of every part of the stroke forming a character in a mark must be 10 millimetres;

(d) the spacing between any two characters within a group must be 10 millimetres;

(e) the vertical spacing between groups of characters must be 5 millimetres;

(f) the width of a margin between the mark and the top and lateral sides of the registration plate must be not less than 5 millimetres;

(g) the space between the bottom of the mark and the bottom of the registration plate must be not less than 13 millimetres; but, within that space, the space between the bottom of the mark and the top of the name and postcode of the person by whom the plate was supplied must be not less than 5 millimetres."[3]


Signed by authority of the Secretary of State for Transport.


David Jamieson
Parliamentary Under Secretary of State, Department for Transport

24th October 2002

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EXPLANATORY NOTE

(This note is not part of the Regulations)


These Regulations amend the Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 ("the 2001 Regulations").

Regulation 3 amends regulation 11 of the 2001 Regulations. The effect of the amendment is to prohibit the use of a number plate on which the background is patterned or textured, or gives that appearance.

Regulation 4 amends regulation 12 of the 2001 Regulations. The effect of the amendment is that references in Part III of those Regulations (including Table B in Part 3 of Schedule 3) to "relevant character height" do not apply in relation to a vehicle to which regulation 14A applies.

Regulation 5 amends regulation 14 of the 2001 Regulations and inserts a new regulation 14A.

The effect of the amendments to regulation 14 is that the requirements of that regulation, which deals with the size and spacing of characters in a registration mark, do not apply in relation to vehicles to which regulation 14A applies.

New regulation 14A makes special provision in relation to the size and spacing of characters in the registration mark of certain imported vehicles.
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Notes:

[1] 1994 c. 22.back
[2] S.I. 2001/561, amended by S.I. 2001/1079.back
[3] As to European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval, see Council Directive 70/156/EEC on the approximation of the laws of the Member States relating to the type-approval of motor vehicles and their trailers (O.J. L No. 42, 23.2.70, p. 1), as last amended by Council Directive 98/14/EC (O.J. L No. 91, 25.3.98, p. 1). See also regulation 11 of the Motor Vehicle (EC Type Approval) Regulations 1998 (S.I. 1998/2051).back
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Re: UK Number Plate Regs for US Imports

Postby saleen836 » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:02 pm

I can confirm the above! I got stopped on the M6 for too small a number plate on the rear, they issued me with a rectification notice, I printed the above off the DVLA website and sent it in with the notice, they wrote back saying 'no further action will be taken in this matter!'

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Re: UK Number Plate Regs for US Imports

Postby largelunchbox » Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:28 pm

i have one big headache now trying to decipher that lot :? can i have it in laymans terms plz?

1- whats the smallest size characters we can legally have then on the front and back?

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Re: UK Number Plate Regs for US Imports

Postby LV51FER » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:05 pm

64mm x 44mm bar "L" and "1" or just ask for motorcycle size font.

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Re: UK Number Plate Regs for US Imports

Postby nomis » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:57 am

LV51FER wrote:S.14A allows you to have motorcycle size fonts on any import without provison for a UK size plate. In the case of the 2005 Mustang, that is true for the raer plate and since a UK plate would overhang at the front....


I can understand you getting away with a bike plate onthe rear by stating this Clause; however, there is little reason to justify a lack of front plate, is there? :?:

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Re: UK Number Plate Regs for US Imports

Postby LV51FER » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:59 pm

nomis wrote:
LV51FER wrote:S.14A allows you to have motorcycle size fonts on any import without provison for a UK size plate. In the case of the 2005 Mustang, that is true for the raer plate and since a UK plate would overhang at the front....


I can understand you getting away with a bike plate onthe rear by stating this Clause; however, there is little reason to justify a lack of front plate, is there? :?:


It's a grey area and grey areas are very rarely prosecuted.

My view is that if the car is exempt then it is exempt and you can't "split the difference" - it either qualifies or it doesn't. If you look at the "Explanatory Notes" it clearly says that Regulation 14 DOESN'T apply to vehicles to which this Regulation applies so if it doesn't apply, that's an end to that requirement.

The rear 12 x 6 plate aperture means the car qualifies because it's a personal import requiring an SVA test and hasn't got the appropriate aperture. What is salient on the front is that there IS no aperture so no fixed place for mounting a plate. Putting a UK plate where Stig has his (lower grille) blocks the intake so is easily arguable as an unsuitable mounting place. A UK plate overhanging the front intake could also be argued to impede the cooling requirement of these "huge v8s".

The other argument is that you tend to buy plates in pairs.

Contrary to popular belief, the Police aren't particularly interested in wasting a day in court arguing an unclear piece of legislation because it only affects a limited number of cars so there's no "big picture" to protect and as the burden of proof always rests with the prosecution, any doubt has to be given to the Defendant. So long as there is another interpretation, it's not worth it.

Most officers aren't familiar with the legislation anyway so it pays to carry a print. I was stopped in my Z28 once for the front plate. Now it was a Euro Z28 so had the Euro-sized aperture at the rear and it wasn't an SVA car either as it was sold in Germany then the UK. The front of the Z28 carries a big ugly Europlate holder which I removed and fitted a small plate directly to the mesh grille. When stopped, I discussed these regs and explained how it applied to "American imports". The traffic officers were very interested and I didn't mislead them but permitted them to assume it applied to mine. They didn't even look at the plate on the back and didn't measure the front plate which was actually not legal being smaller than motorcycle size...but then I never said it was..... ;)

I have only ever been stopped that once in 13 years and I've never had a UK plate bar on the rear of the Z28.

Bear in mind this legislation was specifically enacted to protect the position with American cars following protests so it's a victory you should use. Meantime those bying Alfas with no provision for a number plate at all at the front will have to suffer!

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Re: UK Number Plate Regs for US Imports

Postby nomis » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:41 pm

Thanks for the opinion and info :)

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Re: UK Number Plate Regs for US Imports

Postby LV51FER » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:49 pm

Well since I prosecute, my opinion has some weight....and I wouldn't. :lol:

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Re: UK Number Plate Regs for US Imports

Postby nomis » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:05 am

LV51FER wrote:Well since I prosecute, my opinion has some weight....and I wouldn't. :lol:


Are you going to leave me hanging or explain this statement!

If I get pulled in the Mustang, is there a chance you will be in the white-non-Mustang behind me with the blue lights on? :?:

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Re: UK Number Plate Regs for US Imports

Postby LV51FER » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:28 am

I am a barrister and prosecute cases so I take the final decisions on a huge range of prosecutions although the Police take the administrative decisions on issuing summonses and we only get files just prior to the court hearing and really only get involved when they become contested as most are run of the mill stop check, no document offences.

That is not to say that all prosecutors will be aware of this regulation either because motoring law is a massive and enormous sea of incomprehensible legislation and motoring cases are voluminous and get dealt with on the day as most prosecutors are dealing with far far more serious crimes (like murder) as I'm sure you will appreciate. For that reason, they are not wont to pursue no-hopers as their time is better spent elsewhere and a well-timed letter and a copy of the regulation will assist in a swift abandonment. This principle is reversed with the people who "try it on". What is important is that people don't ignore the summons and expect that it will be picked up because it will just be proved in absence as there would be an evidential burden on the driver to prove your car fell within the regs when push came to shove. The logbook will show that it's an SVA type vehicle and a photo of the aperture will show it applies to the car but we don't have access to that information which is why you need to raise it at the scene and resolve it there and then.

Carrying a copy in your glovebox will usually short-circuit the process but don't forget to defer politely to the officer so they don't lose face and get bolshy with you.

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Re: UK Number Plate Regs for US Imports

Postby nomis » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:37 am

LV51FER wrote:Carrying a copy in your glovebox will usually short-circuit the process but don't forget to defer politely to the officer so they don't lose face and get bolshy with you.


That all makes sense and as for the last sentence, I always live by what my mamma taught me :P and remember that, "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar." (especially where the police are concerned) :mrgreen:

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Re: UK Number Plate Regs for US Imports

Postby painey » Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:16 am

My car was due for its 1st MOT on the 10th March and as I run american style plates plus a straight through exhaust and heavily tinted windows I was a bit worried if it would get thorough :?

Anyway took it down to my local MOT station on Saturday 1st March and sat and waited....................went through with flying colours :)

I did have a copy of the regs on this topic so if it had had failed on this issue I was going to get them out and try and argue the point but in the end no need :)

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Re: UK Number Plate Regs for US Imports

Postby Viper » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:03 am

So how would I get on with this number plate?

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Re: UK Number Plate Regs for US Imports

Postby badhand » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:58 am

So I'm still a bit unsure about all this number plate business. I now know (thanks to LV51FER) that I can have motorcycle size fonts, but thats not really my issue. What I want is AMERICAN STYLE PRESSED METAL PLATES. I've recently ordered some. They are pressed metal, with the right US style font (a real concern of mine!) and fit the 6 x 12 aperture for the rear. The type comes out in one line and looks spot on and they are white reflective for front and yellow reflective for rear.

My (and the boys in blue's) concern is the FONT is not UK regulation in style or size and the surface of the plate is 'textured' due to the pressing.

Its not that I'm THAT bothered about being entirely legal, but I'd love to have something in writing that I could politely wave under an officer's nose when I get pulled. I take on board all LV51FER's comments about the plod not being likely to prosecute but years of experience running illegal size plates on my motorbike puts me off doing it on my car. I never once got prosecuted but the normal process after a pull was being handed the old 'Producer' which is a right old drama. This is no hassle for the officer who stops you but a major pain for you. It basically means going along to a specified Police Station within 14 days with all your documents in order. Unfortunately this requires getting your plates certified by an authorised MOT station. The MOT is no drama once you've put your old legal plates back on, but involves time, hassle and COST. Three things I want to avoid these days...

SO.... any advice as to whether I'm legal or illegal with pressed metal plates with the wrong font, wrong size and the wrong spacing and a point in the right direction for some legal 'proof' that I can print out and keep in the glove box would be much appreciated!!!!

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Re: UK Number Plate Regs for US Imports

Postby LV51FER » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:28 am

No they're not legal..

The Vehicle Defect Rectification scheme permits them to send you to an MOT Station to remedy it but if they pull you again, it's possible they will prosecute or more likely give you a fixed penalty because it's not endorsable.

It works like this - having no plate can save you a £60 fine and points and it's not endorsable, a US plate can get you a fine and may also be recognised by an ANPR camera so is the worst of all worlds.

I used to run US Plates on my car. Now I tend to think they look a little fussy so run UK plates. A friend of mine has a 1968 Dodge Charger done up as a General Lee and runs US plates - orange on white ,front and back - and he's a police officer. It's basically as much down to views of the officer you encounter and pot luck. I would say that most probably can't be bothered with the paperwork and prefer an easy life and also prefer picking on younger folk or have another reason for stopping you.

That's not to say that you can't wave the regs under the nose of a police officer as unless he's traffic, the chances of him knowing the morass of road traffic law is slight and bluff can be as judicially probative as fact. :pidu


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